tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post3893258062166824005..comments2024-03-27T05:50:16.659+00:00Comments on We Mixed Our Drinks: Kirstie Allsopp, classism, and a distinct lack of choiceHannah Mudgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06367085612049349757noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-90897257007269221202020-09-09T14:47:00.448+01:002020-09-09T14:47:00.448+01:00Useless Post, Porn-Star Sues to Brazzers.
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What I...Sorry, didn't quite add all I meant to! What I mean to say is I feel v uncomfortable with how poorer mothers are stigmatised or ignored. <br /><br />Laura Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-26623977658124977402014-06-05T21:33:51.523+01:002014-06-05T21:33:51.523+01:00Thanks so much for this. At 26 my only barrier to ...Thanks so much for this. At 26 my only barrier to having children is that I have not met a suitable partner and so scaremongering about fertility does make me emotive, as it can feel the issue of singleness is a largely forgotton one among my peers when discussing this. Add both a secular/ media and a church culture often very invested so heavily on motherhood... It gets tiring. So I was one of those who initially found offence at KA's words before taking time to read more closely. Most of my Uni friends are also childless, though married or with partners, but I come from a largely 'working class' area and I am one of 4 of my school friends npt to have children, all my other friends do, and the earliest since 18, and this article completely articulated my concerns about both Kirsty's points about property and those against her by those reacting against he, as both leave less advantaged mothers out of the equation. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-78188205007426240342014-06-04T15:35:42.417+01:002014-06-04T15:35:42.417+01:00Thanks for an interesting article. One point no-on...Thanks for an interesting article. One point no-one seems to have picked up on, on either side of the debate is that for many of us, having a baby is nothing to do with working to a timetable or not. It's actually down to opportunity. If you want kids, you need to have someone to have them with, and if you'd rather do it within a stable relationship, you can't just magic that from nowhere. I didn't even have a whiff of a decent fella till my late twenties, and didn't meet my husband till I was 30. There literally was no chance of me even thinking about kids till then. Had I met my husband sooner, I've no doubt I'd have started my family earlier, it just wasn't possible!<br />Virginia Moffatthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12071059148315715405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-22005246515670560802014-06-04T14:46:35.230+01:002014-06-04T14:46:35.230+01:00Shakeandcrawl - yes - I was going to write about w...Shakeandcrawl - yes - I was going to write about what you were saying but struggled to fit it in! I do find it really interesting that the 'reasons' you've listed wouldn't figure elsewhere. I do think we have created a very specific issue in that sense, in the UK and USA. <br /><br />Thanks woollythinker, that was my mistake (now rectified)!<br /><br />Thanks too princessj, I noticed that happening as well (assumptions being made about people's backgrounds based on what they did and didn't agree with KA on. I do think that all this talk of women not being aware of their fertility is bizarre; it's hardly as if it's never talked about. I also don't see how it was being positioned as simple and straightforward for women to go to university later in life, which would do nothing about the cost of it or how it might be expected to fit around work and family life.Hannah Mudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367085612049349757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-57455526094304041352014-06-04T13:28:03.110+01:002014-06-04T13:28:03.110+01:00Or some of us, born into poverty, born to parents ...Or some of us, born into poverty, born to parents surviving on beefits, born into a deprived soci-economic area realise just how important an education is. Yet when we oppose Allsopp we are called 'midlle-class'. I don't want poverty or poor hosuing for my children, I don't want them born into the unhealthy relationships my teens brought.The average age of a first time mum is 28 in the UK; we are already aware of our fertility window. Allsopp's comments were deeply patronising and classist. For many working class women uni is out of reach, not discussed, they are expected to have kids, the thought of just casually picking up uni later on is idealistic and impossible for many. I know many minimum wage friends who simply can't afford to have kids, they work on zero hour contracts, rent moldy homes, and have other caring commitments. Babies would be a luxury to them. So yes, this debate is classist, but not in the way it's being posed.princessjhttp://www.plasticdollheads.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-19849792388821003512014-06-04T10:19:23.787+01:002014-06-04T10:19:23.787+01:00Thank you – excellent points well made.
Just one...Thank you – excellent points well made. <br /><br />Just one nitpicking correction: UK childcare costs are not the highest, but the second-highest in Europe (and the world). The costs in Switzerland (as a percentage of income) are almost twice as high. With the obvious result that women are even more likely to be forced out of work, at least for a time, although we all know getting back in the game is easier said than done... <br /><br />"Choice" is such a luxurious idea. But the luxury plays out very differently in different countries. (In South Africa, where labour and therefore childcare are cheap, of course it's a luxury for moms to stay at home.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-81648267554372335842014-06-03T23:09:32.081+01:002014-06-03T23:09:32.081+01:00Interesting post, and well-made points. As I said ...Interesting post, and well-made points. As I said on Twitter this morning, the whole debate set me off on a tangent about cultural differences in attitudes, and I think there's a wider question about why people choose to have children. It strikes me from talking to my mum who grew up in another country that people's reasons for having children in this country are more often negative here than in other countries like Germany or Scandinavia: that it's often about fulfilling expectations, or trying to compensate for their problems. I don't know if you can generalise, this is only anecdotal, but it would be nice to think of parenthood in our society as something people do when they want to, not when it's expected of them, or because they think a child is the solution to problems in their relationship, or life. As you say, it all comes down to more choice and provision, and greater gender equality.shakeandcrawlhttp://www.the2amgirl.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com