tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post1092494580628748452..comments2024-03-27T05:50:16.659+00:00Comments on We Mixed Our Drinks: Daily Mail Rape Chronicles: Trawling the ArchivesHannah Mudgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06367085612049349757noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-50064154336306352462010-07-02T12:01:35.468+01:002010-07-02T12:01:35.468+01:00I thought thsi was probably the case, but to see i...I thought thsi was probably the case, but to see it laid out bare like this is still shocking. Their coverage is awful but their recent headlines are unbelievable! Lying mother, wicked woman, innocent man... that only sends out one message. The Mail clearly thinks that rape doesn't exist, all women want sex and anyone who says they didn't want it is a liar. WTF?lipsticklorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01509292962165806049noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-18162584346721969542010-06-30T01:07:48.422+01:002010-06-30T01:07:48.422+01:00Hannah, I think this is a really great piece that ...Hannah, I think this is a really great piece that exposes a major bias and raises some big questions (like how well do the Mail cover stories like today's censure of the officers on the Kirk Reid case?)<br /><br />But...I'd be very interested to know how many of the cases you collated originally appeared in local press naming the alleged attacker before it was picked up on by the Mail? I know my local paper names plenty of men accused, but as you say the cases aren't neccesarily salacious enough to make the nationals.<br /><br />I think this needs to be looked at before decisions are made on anonymity being applied. Local stigma is still a big issue. Sadly I just don't know how to go about collecting this togther. Without defending the Mail, only the juiciest murders make the big papers too, but I don't think they are condoning homicide.(Although I wouldn't like to stake my reputation on that!)gherkingirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12440614300240880834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-71722205041113203942010-06-29T21:35:53.616+01:002010-06-29T21:35:53.616+01:00Sian - this is what i'm thinking - contrast it...Sian - this is what i'm thinking - contrast it with stats and info about the way the paper has treated victims that it's done stories on (there are a few tales out there!). Will definitely keep you posted!<br /><br />gherkingirl, thanks for linking to your story. Doing this post really made it clear to me that the Mail is basically obsessed with victim-blaming and demonising the woman at all costs and you're absolutely right - jurors probably read it and believe it.<br /><br />cim, great blog post! I've linked it in a few places and tweeted about it because it really does show how the Mail's support of anonymity is flawed - and how they actually don't care about the majority of cases, choosing only to cover those which show women in the worst light possible. I was interested to read more about Gail Sherwood's story and will keep you posted on what happens next. I'm currently planning to take this further but am unsure of details at the present time.<br /><br />Pulseczar, you're right about why the Mail doesn't report most rape cases - obviously your average rape case isn't exciting enough because without a 'cry rape' situation or some particularly grisly details to talk about, it's not much of a story as far as the paper is concerned. Totally agree though - there needs to be some balance, otherwise it seems that *all* rape cases end up being thrown out because the woman has been proved to be lying.Hannah Mudgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06367085612049349757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-60474888234390585412010-06-29T09:22:20.829+01:002010-06-29T09:22:20.829+01:00It would be fascinating if, for one week, the Male...It would be fascinating if, for one week, the Male reported on all the successful convictions for rape and sexual assault. And the sentences passed. It would also cause the Male to implode, so it's a win-win.<br /><br />Of course, the vast majority of rape cases do not make interesting journalism, which is why no-one bothers with reporting them. But even a list of names (even 'John Doe, 35, Salisbury') and the sentence handed down would make for a decent counterpoint to the 'lying harpies' hysteria, no?Hallirackithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09797811244069596766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-29705097540201050602010-06-28T19:54:56.058+01:002010-06-28T19:54:56.058+01:00I add my thanks to you for going through all these...I add my thanks to you for going through all these - I wouldn't want to spend that long reading the Mail.<br /><br />I was able to use your list to <a href="http://refusingthedefault.blogspot.com/2010/06/no-really-this-helps-no-one.html" rel="nofollow">see if any of these cases were previously reported</a> in such a way that the suspects would benefit from the government's anonymity proposals. (Of the cases you listed, only two of them would have, neither particularly significantly)<br /><br />I also found <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1202656/This-sociopath-cleared-rape--Now-years-later-legal-breakthrough-dock--Theres-just-scarely-believable-problem-.html" rel="nofollow">this disturbing report</a>, which shows what the Mail does when alleged rapists are granted anonymity.cimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17149122031702105816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-43247948113873935662010-06-28T14:50:19.306+01:002010-06-28T14:50:19.306+01:00Thank you for collating all this. You deserve a me...Thank you for collating all this. You deserve a medal for sifting through the DM archives!<br /><br />As a rape victim who had her compensation case covered in the national press and was vilified in the Mail by Peter Hitchens for being a drunken slut, I really do feel the Mail are the biggest bunch of rape apologists in the country and a real danger to justice since so many jurors read this and believe it.<br /><br />However, I think anonymity for defendants might actually rob the Mail etc of their favourite lines of women deliberately ruining men's lifes with 'false' allegations. Hard to slander someone who can't named. <br /><br />I think the anonymity ideas have some merits, but I'm unhappy about why and how they are being introduced. I wrote my views here http://gherkinette.blogspot.com/2010/05/feminist-hulk-has-nothing-on-me-right.html<br /><br />Great blog by the way!gherkingirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12440614300240880834noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-327544553976967122.post-30593896500071963892010-06-28T14:47:28.783+01:002010-06-28T14:47:28.783+01:00don't envy you that job.
i think we can prese...don't envy you that job.<br /><br />i think we can present this to some kind of PCC related board or the govt as they debate anonymity, against the true stats for rape, conviction and false accusation. it clearly shows horrific bias.sianandcrookedribhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00959715300131969670noreply@blogger.com